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Post by radioguy
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"Dont know about where your at, but here in Lexington its the Ham
operators that are breaking fcc rules and regs by running 2500 watt cb
linears on 11 meter and bothering good cb folk by talking bout there
families and children. If thats how Ham extra's are supposed to act,
I'll just stay with cb.
"

The internet has made hamism virtually obsolete.....

dave

2012-05-15 02:07:46 UTC

The internet has made hamism virtually obsolete.....

Actually it's added a new dimension. I don't have to talk to people anymore.

Bill Graham

2012-05-15 03:03:24 UTC

Post by radioguy
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"Dont know about where your at, but here in Lexington its the Ham
operators that are breaking fcc rules and regs by running 2500 watt
cb linears on 11 meter and bothering good cb folk by talking bout
there families and children. If thats how Ham extra's are supposed
to act, I'll just stay with cb.
"

The internet has made hamism virtually obsolete.....

Actually it's added a new dimension. I don't have to talk to people anymore.

I solved that problem by acquiring 5 cats......

Greegor

2012-05-15 14:01:01 UTC

Post by radioguy
"Dont know about where your at, but here
in Lexington its the Ham operators that
are breaking fcc rules and regs by running
2500 watt cb linears on 11 meter and
bothering good cb folk by talking bout
there families and children. If thats how
Ham extra's are supposed to act, I'll
just stay with cb.

BG > The internet has made hamism virtually obsolete.....

dave > Actually it's added a new dimension.
dave > I don't have to talk to people anymore.

That must be nice for people with Aspergers.

BG > I solved that problem by acquiring 5 cats......

No doubt the cats feel that they aquired you.

Bill Graham

2012-05-15 17:05:18 UTC

Post by Greegor

BG > The internet has made hamism virtually obsolete.....
dave > Actually it's added a new dimension.
dave > I don't have to talk to people anymore.
That must be nice for people with Aspergers.
BG > I solved that problem by acquiring 5 cats......
No doubt the cats feel that they aquired you.

Why yes.... They do feel that way. And, actually, some of them did. They
wandered on to my property, liked the cut of my jib, and decided to stay.

Kent Wills

2012-05-16 08:46:38 UTC

Post by Greegor

BG > The internet has made hamism virtually obsolete.....
dave > Actually it's added a new dimension.
dave > I don't have to talk to people anymore.
That must be nice for people with Aspergers.
BG > I solved that problem by acquiring 5 cats......
No doubt the cats feel that they aquired you.

Why yes.... They do feel that way. And, actually, some of them did. They
wandered on to my property, liked the cut of my jib, and decided to stay.

It's always nice when a cat deems you worthy of feeding and
housing them.

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dave

2012-05-16 14:11:08 UTC

The internet has made hamism virtually obsolete.....

Actually it's added a new dimension. I don't have to talk to people anymore.

I solved that problem by acquiring 5 cats......

That would not satisfy my enjoyment of pure radio.

richard

2012-05-15 19:34:29 UTC

Hah. Doesn't matter to the FCC. Anyone running more than 4 watts on CB and
interfering with other services will certainly get a knock on their door
and get a stiff $10,000 fine to pay.

A friend of mine though, once did run a 1,000 watt CB radio, NO linear.
LEGALLY!
How?
When the FCC inspector came knocking on the trailer he was using, it was
explained that this was an emergency communications excercise and under the
rules, the power was legal. The inspector left with out issuing a citation.

When he keyed down on the damn thing, it spread over 20 channels!
Nobody within 30 miles of him could talk.

dave

2012-05-16 14:17:50 UTC

Post by richard
Hah. Doesn't matter to the FCC. Anyone running more than 4 watts on CB and
interfering with other services will certainly get a knock on their door
and get a stiff $10,000 fine to pay.
A friend of mine though, once did run a 1,000 watt CB radio, NO linear.
LEGALLY!
How?
When the FCC inspector came knocking on the trailer he was using, it was
explained that this was an emergency communications excercise and under the
rules, the power was legal. The inspector left with out issuing a citation.
When he keyed down on the damn thing, it spread over 20 channels!
Nobody within 30 miles of him could talk.

I'm calling BS!

richard

2012-05-17 00:15:31 UTC

I'm calling BS!

You go right ahead and claim BS.
It happened. I was at my house which was 15 miles away or more as the crow
flies and I checked the channels. At least 10 channels on either side.
I don't recall all the detaila about the radio but I believe it used to be
a military radio. And the FCC has no jurisdiction over military radios.
They might have some now but not when the radio was built.

Another time I talked to a NG guy who was using a military radio.
His radio could dial in the frequency precisely. He was transmitting on my
frequency as his radio detected. When I told him what frequency to transmit
on, his signal and audio was better.

I'll have to get in touch with my friend and see if he has the radio or
recalls what make it was.

Scott in Baltimore

2012-05-17 01:01:18 UTC

Post by richard
Another time I talked to a NG guy who was using a military radio.
His radio could dial in the frequency precisely. He was transmitting on my
frequency as his radio detected. When I told him what frequency to transmit
on, his signal and audio was better.

You should get your transmitter put on frequency.

Evan Platt

2012-05-17 05:52:17 UTC

Post by richard
You go right ahead and claim BS.
It happened. I was at my house which was 15 miles away or more as the crow
flies and I checked the channels. At least 10 channels on either side.
I don't recall all the detaila about the radio but I believe it used to be
a military radio. And the FCC has no jurisdiction over military radios.

Bullshit.

Post by richard
They might have some now but not when the radio was built.

The FCC has jurisdiction over frequencies. Doesn't matter the
equipment.

Post by richard
Another time I talked to a NG guy who was using a military radio.
His radio could dial in the frequency precisely.

As opposed to a radio that can't dial in a frequency precisely?

Post by richard
He was transmitting on my frequency as his radio detected.

Huh?

Post by richard
When I told him what frequency to transmit on, his signal and audio was better.

What you're saying makes no sense. And you claim you had a FCC
license?

Post by richard
I'll have to get in touch with my friend and see if he has the radio or
recalls what make it was.

Right.

Not holding my breath.

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Brenda Ann

2012-05-17 06:57:40 UTC

"Evan Platt" wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

The FCC has jurisdiction over frequencies. Doesn't matter the
equipment.

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Actually, they also have jurisdiction over most of the equipment as well,
including non-intentional radiators such as fluorescent lamps, dimmer
switches, ad inf.

However, they do NOT have total jurisdiction over emissions on radio
frequencies.. just on most of them. The NTIA regulates and polices use of
government radio transmissions. They do coordinate with the FCC, though, to
reduce interference (mostly to the government users) from band edges and
harmonics/images.

richard

2012-05-17 07:55:23 UTC

Post by Evan Platt
The FCC has jurisdiction over frequencies. Doesn't matter the
equipment.
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Actually, they also have jurisdiction over most of the equipment as well,
including non-intentional radiators such as fluorescent lamps, dimmer
switches, ad inf.
However, they do NOT have total jurisdiction over emissions on radio
frequencies.. just on most of them. The NTIA regulates and polices use of
government radio transmissions. They do coordinate with the FCC, though, to
reduce interference (mostly to the government users) from band edges and
harmonics/images.

Evan is the "know it all" guy. He thinks that because he is a ham, radio
wise that is, he knows all about radios and the legal stuff behind them.

As for electrical devices which are not "radios", the only thing the FCC
can do about them is enforce the manufacturers to slap a label on the stuff
stating the equipment must accpet any interference and not cause any
interference.

dave

2012-05-17 12:13:43 UTC

Post by Brenda Ann
Actually, they also have jurisdiction over most of the equipment as well,
including non-intentional radiators such as fluorescent lamps, dimmer
switches, ad inf.

As for electrical devices which are not "radios", the only thing the FCC
can do about them is enforce the manufacturers to slap a label on the stuff
stating the equipment must accpet any interference and not cause any
interference.

The last time a friend needed Part 15 certification he had to send a
production prototype to a specialized facility in Utah, terrain shielded
and in an anechoic chamber.

Evan Platt

2012-05-17 13:23:18 UTC

Post by richard
Evan is the "know it all" guy. He thinks that because he is a ham, radio
wise that is, he knows all about radios and the legal stuff behind them.

No, I just know more than you. You, however, know nothing about
anything.

Post by richard
As for electrical devices which are not "radios", the only thing the FCC
can do about them is enforce the manufacturers to slap a label on the stuff
stating the equipment must accpet any interference and not cause any
interference.

No shit. Thanks for clarifying what everyone else already knows,
bullis.

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2012-05-18 11:16:18 UTC

On Thu, 17 May 2012 06:23:18 -0700, Evan Platt

Post by richard
Evan is the "know it all" guy. He thinks that because he is a ham, radio
wise that is, he knows all about radios and the legal stuff behind them.

No, I just know more than you. You, however, know nothing about
anything.

Years of reading Richard's posts has given me cause to believe
everyone knows more about everything than Richard.

No shit. Thanks for clarifying what everyone else already knows,
bullis.

Doesn't the sticker state something to the effect of, "In
compliance with FCC regulation [insert number here], this device may
not cause interference and must accept all interference."? I could
look up the exact quote, but my paraphrase should get the idea across.

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2012-05-18 13:18:18 UTC

Post by Kent Wills
Doesn't the sticker state something to the effect of, "In
compliance with FCC regulation [insert number here], this device may
not cause interference and must accept all interference."? I could
look up the exact quote, but my paraphrase should get the idea across.

Pretty much word for word.

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dave

2012-05-18 13:23:17 UTC

Pretty much word for word.

The sticker says: Your friendly neighborhood ham radio operator can tell
you to turn this thing off.

Kent Wills

2012-05-19 11:43:31 UTC

Pretty much word for word.

The sticker says: Your friendly neighborhood ham radio operator can tell
you to turn this thing off.

Anyone can tell anyone else to turn something off so long as they
have the power of speech. Without the authority to compel the other
person to comply, it's may be pointless to do so.

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dave

2012-05-19 17:58:20 UTC

Pretty much word for word.

The sticker says: Your friendly neighborhood ham radio operator can tell
you to turn this thing off.

Anyone can tell anyone else to turn something off so long as they
have the power of speech. Without the authority to compel the other
person to comply, it's may be pointless to do so.

One hopes one's neighbors are civilized and follow the law. It says
right on the sticker if someone reports interference you must cease
operating the device. Willfully interfering with licensed communications
is a Federal Felony, punishable by jail time and and a $10,000 fine for
EACH DAY the interference occurs.

How's that for "Authority to Compel" mister smarty pants?

Kent Wills

2012-05-19 20:56:08 UTC

Pretty much word for word.

The sticker says: Your friendly neighborhood ham radio operator can tell
you to turn this thing off.

Anyone can tell anyone else to turn something off so long as they
have the power of speech. Without the authority to compel the other
person to comply, it's may be pointless to do so.

One hopes one's neighbors are civilized and follow the law. It says
right on the sticker if someone reports interference you must cease
operating the device.

You are mistaken.

The following link show a scan of the most recent electronic
purchase I made. An Android Netbook.
Note what the sticker actually has written on it.

Loading Image...

The following is included to show when the Netbook passed the QC
inspection. March of 2012. Presumably it's in compliance with current
laws and regulations regarding what must be included on the sticker.

Loading Image...

There is nothing about anyone having to cease operation due to
interference.

Post by dave
Willfully interfering with licensed communications
is a Federal Felony, punishable by jail time and and a $10,000 fine for
EACH DAY the interference occurs.

There's the difference. Willful interference is a crime. If
it's not intended, it probably isn't.

Post by dave
How's that for "Authority to Compel" mister smarty pants?

Since the sticker doesn't state what you claim, your claim is in
error.

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dave

2012-05-20 12:23:55 UTC

Pretty much word for word.

The sticker says: Your friendly neighborhood ham radio operator can tell
you to turn this thing off.

Anyone can tell anyone else to turn something off so long as they
have the power of speech. Without the authority to compel the other
person to comply, it's may be pointless to do so.

One hopes one's neighbors are civilized and follow the law. It says
right on the sticker if someone reports interference you must cease
operating the device.

You are mistaken.
The following link show a scan of the most recent electronic
purchase I made. An Android Netbook.
Note what the sticker actually has written on it.
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc127/kwills_photo/384e7a1e.jpg
The following is included to show when the Netbook passed the QC
inspection. March of 2012. Presumably it's in compliance with current
laws and regulations regarding what must be included on the sticker.
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc127/kwills_photo/3d83be33.jpg
There is nothing about anyone having to cease operation due to
interference.

Post by dave
Willfully interfering with licensed communications
is a Federal Felony, punishable by jail time and and a $10,000 fine for
EACH DAY the interference occurs.

There's the difference. Willful interference is a crime. If
it's not intended, it probably isn't.

Post by dave
How's that for "Authority to Compel" mister smarty pants?

Since the sticker doesn't state what you claim, your claim is in
error.

Tes. Everything you need to know is on the sticker, "May not cause
[harmful] interference" is legalese boilerplate.

richard

2012-05-17 08:00:57 UTC

Bullshit.

Post by richard
They might have some now but not when the radio was built.

The FCC has jurisdiction over frequencies. Doesn't matter the
equipment.

Post by richard
Another time I talked to a NG guy who was using a military radio.
His radio could dial in the frequency precisely.

As opposed to a radio that can't dial in a frequency precisely?

Your standard 40 channel CB radio can't. It is controlled by circuitry that
must transmit on precise frequencies.

Post by richard
He was transmitting on my frequency as his radio detected.

Huh?

Obviously, you've never seen a radio that can dial in a khz at a time.
I've seen some that get even tighter than that.
He told me he had a display that showed him my frequency as he saw it.
It was like 2khz off the actual frequency.

Post by richard
When I told him what frequency to transmit on, his signal and audio was better.

What you're saying makes no sense. And you claim you had a FCC
license?

Yes I did. 2nd class at the time. Held for 5 years.

Post by richard
I'll have to get in touch with my friend and see if he has the radio or
recalls what make it was.

Right.
Not holding my breath.

Not holding much of brain matter either.

dave

2012-05-17 12:18:04 UTC

Post by richard
Obviously, you've never seen a radio that can dial in a khz at a time.
I've seen some that get even tighter than that.
He told me he had a display that showed him my frequency as he saw it.
It was like 2khz off the actual frequency.

My old Collins Radios could be dialed-in with about =/- 300 Hz (0.3
KHz) MY ICOM R-75 is accurate to one Hertz(0.001 KHz).

Evan Platt

2012-05-17 13:19:27 UTC

Post by richard
Not holding much of brain matter either.

No, you aren't.

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Evan Platt

2012-05-17 14:55:46 UTC

Bullshit.

Post by richard
They might have some now but not when the radio was built.

The FCC has jurisdiction over frequencies. Doesn't matter the
equipment.

Post by richard
Another time I talked to a NG guy who was using a military radio.
His radio could dial in the frequency precisely.

As opposed to a radio that can't dial in a frequency precisely?

Your standard 40 channel CB radio can't. It is controlled by circuitry that
must transmit on precise frequencies.

Exactly. So give us an example of a radio that doesn't use a precise
frequency.

Post by richard
He was transmitting on my frequency as his radio detected.

Huh?

Obviously, you've never seen a radio that can dial in a khz at a time.

Yes, I have.

Post by richard
I've seen some that get even tighter than that.

So have I.

Post by richard
He told me he had a display that showed him my frequency as he saw it.
It was like 2khz off the actual frequency.

What you're saying makes no sense. Like half of what you say.

Where is "all men are created equal?"

bullis: "In the Constitution."

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2012-05-17 06:38:00 UTC

richard <***@newsguy.com>, AKA Richard Bullis, CENKOC, LMA, AKA RtS,
AKA Richard The St00pid, AKA Bolo Bullis, AKA 'sandman' the collector of

Let me guess - he replaced the 2SC1969 finals with four 2SC1307's in
a double Darlington arrangement so his CB radio would produce 1kW without
the help of a linear amp.

Or it's another load of Bolo Bullis bull shit.

Post by richard
When the FCC inspector came knocking on the trailer he was using, it
was explained that this was an emergency communications excercise and
under the rules, the power was legal. The inspector left with out
issuing a citation.
When he keyed down on the damn thing, it spread over 20 channels!
Nobody within 30 miles of him could talk.

Did his non-amplified, 'legal' 1kW CB also made truck tires implode
all over town too, St00pid?

Post by dave
I'm calling BS!

You go right ahead and claim BS.
It happened. I was at my house which was 15 miles away or more as the
crow flies

Which is a lot further than any Bullis bull shit does.

Post by richard
and I checked the channels. At least 10 channels on either
side. I don't recall all the detaila about the radio but I believe it
used to be a military radio. And the FCC has no jurisdiction over
military radios.

They don't?

Post by richard
They might have some now but not when the radio was
built.

So you're saying the FCC doesn't regulate radio usage - eh, St00pid?

Post by richard
Another time I talked to a NG guy who was using a military radio.
His radio could dial in the frequency precisely. He was transmitting on
my frequency as his radio detected. When I told him what frequency to
transmit on, his signal and audio was better.

As distinct from when he wasn't transmitting on 'your' frequency?

Post by richard
I'll have to get in touch with my friend and see if he has the radio or
recalls what make it was.

St00pid has friends? lulz

Some awards are called for.

Kooki Information Minister

Named in honour of Iraq's Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, this office is
held by the kook whose claims are most noticeably at variance with
known facts.

For RtS making many idiotic claims - not least about the jurisdiction
of the FCC - I nominate Richard S. Bullis, AKA St00pid, for this office
and thereby displacing current office-holder Agamemnon of RADW.

Seconds?

Victor von Frankenstein Weird Science Award

Given to those inspired, pioneering visionaries with their worthy
inventions, institutions, and prides-of-joys, who have reasoned it
out, who KNOW The Answer, who would know how to use it to make for
a better humanity... if only somebody would listen to them.

I nominate St00pid for his theories of a 'the 1kW unamplified CB radio
that wipes out all communications in a 30 mile radius' yet escapes
any FCC scrutiny, and 'advanced military radio signal reception'.

Seconds?

PS - The Mark Morgan Fanboi Club have now seen Richard The St00pid in
action - and everyone else can see RtS is as st00pid as VE7KFM dot com.
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Did his non-amplified, 'legal' 1kW CB also made truck tires implode
all over town too, St00pid?

Post by dave
I'm calling BS!

You go right ahead and claim BS.
It happened. I was at my house which was 15 miles away or more as the
crow flies

Which is a lot further than any Bullis bull shit does.

They don't?

Post by richard
They might have some now but not when the radio was
built.

So you're saying the FCC doesn't regulate radio usage - eh, St00pid?

Post by richard
Another time I talked to a NG guy who was using a military radio.
His radio could dial in the frequency precisely. He was transmitting on
my frequency as his radio detected. When I told him what frequency to
transmit on, his signal and audio was better.

As distinct from when he wasn't transmitting on 'your' frequency?

Post by richard
I'll have to get in touch with my friend and see if he has the radio or
recalls what make it was.

Absolootely. Can't do that shit without a big fucking linear, and
everybody knows it.

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Did his non-amplified, 'legal' 1kW CB also made truck tires implode
all over town too, St00pid?

Post by dave
I'm calling BS!

You go right ahead and claim BS.
It happened. I was at my house which was 15 miles away or more as the
crow flies

Which is a lot further than any Bullis bull shit does.

They don't?

Post by richard
They might have some now but not when the radio was
built.

So you're saying the FCC doesn't regulate radio usage - eh, St00pid?

Post by richard
Another time I talked to a NG guy who was using a military radio.
His radio could dial in the frequency precisely. He was transmitting on
my frequency as his radio detected. When I told him what frequency to
transmit on, his signal and audio was better.

As distinct from when he wasn't transmitting on 'your' frequency?

Post by richard
I'll have to get in touch with my friend and see if he has the radio or
recalls what make it was.

Absolootely.

Thank you. Just to clarify (pun intended) - was your second for both
awards or the VVFWS only?

Post by Checkmate
Can't do that shit without a big fucking linear, and
everybody knows it.

Well, everybody except Bullis, that is.

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Post by dave
I'm calling BS!

You go right ahead and claim BS.
It happened. I was at my house which was 15 miles away or more as the
crow flies

Which is a lot further than any Bullis bull shit does.

They don't?

Post by richard
They might have some now but not when the radio was
built.

So you're saying the FCC doesn't regulate radio usage - eh, St00pid?

Post by richard
Another time I talked to a NG guy who was using a military radio.
His radio could dial in the frequency precisely. He was transmitting on
my frequency as his radio detected. When I told him what frequency to
transmit on, his signal and audio was better.

As distinct from when he wasn't transmitting on 'your' frequency?

Post by richard
I'll have to get in touch with my friend and see if he has the radio or
recalls what make it was.

Absolootely.

Thank you. Just to clarify (pun intended) - was your second for both
awards or the VVFWS only?

Let's go for a double billing on this.

Post by Checkmate
Can't do that shit without a big fucking linear, and
everybody knows it.

Well, everybody except Bullis, that is.

Post by Checkmate

Evan Platt

2012-05-17 05:54:44 UTC

IF they get caught.

Post by richard
A friend of mine though, once did run a 1,000 watt CB radio, NO linear.
LEGALLY!
How?
When the FCC inspector came knocking on the trailer he was using, it was
explained that this was an emergency communications excercise and under the
rules, the power was legal. The inspector left with out issuing a citation.

I'm going to call bullshit on that. I'm not sure on the rules, but I
don't think there's an exemption made for an emergency communications
exercise.

And, the general rule of thumb for ham radio is to use as little power
as possible. Think about it. In an emergency, you'll be running off
limited gas or other form of emergency power. Do you want to run 1,000
watts, or just as many as needed?

Post by richard
When he keyed down on the damn thing, it spread over 20 channels!
Nobody within 30 miles of him could talk.

Bullshit again.

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Brenda Ann

2012-05-17 07:05:22 UTC

"Evan Platt" wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

I'm going to call bullshit on that. I'm not sure on the rules, but I
don't think there's an exemption made for an emergency communications
exercise.

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There is no such exemption within part 97(?). The only thing even CLOSE to
an exemption for power or even frequency would be the rule that allows that
any frequency and any power may be used in a LIFE THREATENING EMERGENCY.
This rule, however, is not blanket, and is basically only a defense against
a rule violation.

Post by richard
When he keyed down on the damn thing, it spread over 20 channels!
Nobody within 30 miles of him could talk.

Bullshit again.

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That does sound like a bit of an exaggeration, however the basic setup is
not unheard of. Back in the 1970's, there was a CB operator using ham
equipment (back in the early 50's, 11m was a ham band), kicking 1KW of
power into a beam antenna (a total of about 2.5KW EIRP). In the local area,
you couldn't use a CB when he was keyed up. In the direction that beam was
pointed, it could easily swamp all 23 channels for up to 25-30 miles.

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richard

2012-05-17 07:49:29 UTC

Post by Evan Platt
I'm going to call bullshit on that. I'm not sure on the rules, but I
don't think there's an exemption made for an emergency communications
exercise.
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There is no such exemption within part 97(?). The only thing even CLOSE to
an exemption for power or even frequency would be the rule that allows that
any frequency and any power may be used in a LIFE THREATENING EMERGENCY.
This rule, however, is not blanket, and is basically only a defense against
a rule violation.

Post by richard
When he keyed down on the damn thing, it spread over 20 channels!
Nobody within 30 miles of him could talk.

Bullshit again.
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That does sound like a bit of an exaggeration, however the basic setup is
not unheard of. Back in the 1970's, there was a CB operator using ham
equipment (back in the early 50's, 11m was a ham band), kicking 1KW of
power into a beam antenna (a total of about 2.5KW EIRP). In the local area,
you couldn't use a CB when he was keyed up. In the direction that beam was
pointed, it could easily swamp all 23 channels for up to 25-30 miles.
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I believe you are speaking of "Candy Girl"?
I had heard she had one hell of a setup that included one of the tightest
and most expensive set of quad beams around. She had been busted like 3 or
4 times and that didn't phase her one bit.

One time I was leaving a "ham fest" in Cincinnati and she was on the air.
Just for kicks, I shouted at her and she actually replied.
I was running 4 watts legal. So her beams must have been pointted in my
direction.

As for the legal side of that event, that law is correct. That is the law
my friend pointed out to the inspector.

I was actually partially the reason why the FCC changed their rules.
A Radio Shack near where I lived was a hang out for a few friends of mine
who were heavy into CB and radios. So we put up an antenna that was sixty
feet higher than the roof of the building. Which was the law then. We had
it set up with two antennas. the tall one and the short one. We asked
people to watch their signal strength and when we switched to the tall one,
the signal jumped royally.
Two weeks later, an FCC inspector sat out in front of the store while we
were on the air.I stood there looking right at him while keyed down. After
an hour of looking through his books, he left. He was pissed because we
were legal!
They changed the law to limit the antenna height to 60 feet above ground.
Period.

Evan Platt

2012-05-17 13:22:22 UTC

Post by richard
I was actually partially the reason why the FCC changed their rules.

LOL, more bullis bullshit.

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Twisted

2012-06-30 00:13:03 UTC