Farmers Branch is "Hideous"

[Sanders Kaufman]

re:
"http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/081608dnmetfbtrimming.4c9a8790.html"

In the wake of their successfully "No Mexicans Wanted" campaign, the
residents of Farmers Branch are complaining that the neighborhoods have so
fallen into disrepair that it has become "pretty hideous".

Unwilling to hire immigrant labor, and unwilling to do the jobs themselves,
homeowners have let weeds overtake their gardens, hedges go untrimmed and
lawns take over sidewalks.

[strabo]

Post by Sanders Kaufman
"http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/081608dnmetfbtrimming.4c9a8790.html"
In the wake of their successfully "No Mexicans Wanted" campaign, the
residents of Farmers Branch are complaining that the neighborhoods have
so fallen into disrepair that it has become "pretty hideous".
Unwilling to hire immigrant labor, and unwilling to do the jobs
themselves, homeowners have let weeds overtake their gardens, hedges go
untrimmed and lawns take over sidewalks.

It's part of the Green Movement.




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[Sanders Kaufman]

Post by strabo

Post by Sanders Kaufman
Unwilling to hire immigrant labor, and unwilling to do the jobs
themselves, homeowners have let weeds overtake their gardens, hedges go
untrimmed and lawns take over sidewalks.

It's part of the Green Movement.

Perhaps more of a *yellow* movement - since they're not *watering* the lawns
either.

[f. barnes]

"http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/081..."
In the wake of their successfully "No Mexicans Wanted" campaign, the
residents of Farmers Branch are complaining that the neighborhoods have so
fallen into disrepair that it has become "pretty hideous".
Unwilling to hire immigrant labor, and unwilling to do the jobs themselves,
homeowners have let weeds overtake their gardens, hedges go untrimmed and
lawns take over sidewalks.

That's strange, there are no minorities in my town, legal or illegal,
but all the work gets done --- we do it. I find it hard to believe
that Americans in Farmers Branch are all that different. But if they
ARE all that different then how did they come to be that way? I'll
tell you how: they were addicted to unnecessary cheap illegal labor.
But now that they don't have such ready access to that "drug" they
will recover, they will snap out of it. These withdrawal symptoms
will pass.

[Cultural Supremacist]

In article

Post by f. barnes

"http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/081..."
In the wake of their successfully "No Mexicans Wanted" campaign, the
residents of Farmers Branch are complaining that the neighborhoods have so
fallen into disrepair that it has become "pretty hideous".
Unwilling to hire immigrant labor, and unwilling to do the jobs themselves,
homeowners have let weeds overtake their gardens, hedges go untrimmed and
lawns take over sidewalks.

That's strange, there are no minorities in my town, legal or illegal,
but all the work gets done --- we do it. I find it hard to believe
that Americans in Farmers Branch are all that different. But if they
ARE all that different then how did they come to be that way?

Maybe there are a lot of Hispanics living there?

CS

Post by f. barnes
I'll
tell you how: they were addicted to unnecessary cheap illegal labor.
But now that they don't have such ready access to that "drug" they
will recover, they will snap out of it. These withdrawal symptoms
will pass.

[BobR]

Post by f. barnes

"http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/081..."
In the wake of their successfully "No Mexicans Wanted" campaign, the
residents of Farmers Branch are complaining that the neighborhoods have so
fallen into disrepair that it has become "pretty hideous".
Unwilling to hire immigrant labor, and unwilling to do the jobs themselves,
homeowners have let weeds overtake their gardens, hedges go untrimmed and
lawns take over sidewalks.

That's strange, there are no minorities in my town, legal or illegal,
but all the work gets done --- we do it.  I find it hard to believe
that Americans in Farmers Branch are all that different.   But if they
ARE all that different then how did they come to be that way?   I'll
tell you how: they were addicted to unnecessary cheap illegal labor.
But now that they don't have such ready access to that "drug" they
will recover, they will snap out of it.  These withdrawal symptoms
will pass.

Since I couldn't find any yard service that didn't employ illegals, I
took over doing my yard myself and it has never looked better. It
takes me less than 30 minutes to do it myself which means that I was
paying $70 an hour for the illegal labor. Took less than two months
to pay for the mower, blower and trimmer. Everything since then has
been profit. Since I got rid of my yard service several of my
neighbors have done the same with the same results. When one of the
group goes on vacation, the rest pitch in to help do their yard. I
would bet that the problems in Farmers Branch stem from the many
illegals who still live there trying to protest.

[Sanders Kaufman]

Post by BobR
Since I couldn't find any yard service that didn't employ illegals, I
took over doing my yard myself and it has never looked better. It
takes me less than 30 minutes to do it myself which means that I was
paying $70 an hour for the illegal labor. Took less than two months
to pay for the mower, blower and trimmer. Everything since then has
been profit. Since I got rid of my yard service several of my
neighbors have done the same with the same results. When one of the
group goes on vacation, the rest pitch in to help do their yard. I
would bet that the problems in Farmers Branch stem from the many
illegals who still live there trying to protest.

Yours is likely a more upscale (wealthy) neighborhood than FB.
FB has some upscale neighborhoods, but it's mostly full of low-income
housing.
They chased the labor force out, and the remaining ex-cons, junkies and
burglars are just not picking up the slack.

[BobR]

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by BobR
Since I couldn't find any yard service that didn't employ illegals, I
took over doing my yard myself and it has never looked better.  It
takes me less than 30 minutes to do it myself which means that I was
paying $70 an hour for the illegal labor.  Took less than two months
to pay for the mower, blower and trimmer.  Everything since then has
been profit.  Since I got rid of my yard service several of my
neighbors have done the same with the same results.  When one of the
group goes on vacation, the rest pitch in to help do their yard.  I
would bet that the problems in Farmers Branch stem from the many
illegals who still live there trying to protest.

Yours is likely a more upscale (wealthy) neighborhood than FB.
FB has some upscale neighborhoods, but it's mostly full of low-income
housing.
They chased the labor force out, and the remaining ex-cons, junkies and
burglars are just not picking up the slack.

Isn't it strange that people in your so called upscale (wealthy)
neighborhood would be more willing to labor to take care of their
homes and neighborhood than those living in less upscale
neighborhoods? Maybe it has more to do making your own way and
getting what you deserve. Farmers Branch isn't a low income
neighborhood and the last time I drove through the area it didn't look
any different from Arlington, Irving, on any of the other older DFW
neighborhoods, some of it good and much of it in decline from the
influx of hispanics.

[Sanders Kaufman]

Post by BobR
Isn't it strange that people in your so called upscale (wealthy)
neighborhood would be more willing to labor to take care of their
homes and neighborhood than those living in less upscale
neighborhoods? Maybe it has more to do making your own way and
getting what you deserve. Farmers Branch isn't a low income
neighborhood and the last time I drove through the area it didn't look
any different from Arlington, Irving, on any of the other older DFW
neighborhoods, some of it good and much of it in decline from the
influx of hispanics.

Well - according to the referenced article, it's the citizens themselves who
consider their neighborhoods to have declined.
That's what happens when the labor force is chased away.

[BobR]

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by BobR
Isn't it strange that people in your so called upscale (wealthy)
neighborhood would be more willing to labor to take care of their
homes and neighborhood than those living in less upscale
neighborhoods?  Maybe it has more to do making your own way and
getting what you deserve.  Farmers Branch isn't a low income
neighborhood and the last time I drove through the area it didn't look
any different from Arlington, Irving, on any of the other older DFW
neighborhoods, some of it good and much of it in decline from the
influx of hispanics.

Well - according to the referenced article, it's the citizens themselves who
consider their neighborhoods to have declined.
That's what happens when the labor force is chased away.

No, that is what happens when people who don't give a shit about
anything and have no vested interest in the property move into the
neighborhood. Renters who could care less about maintaining the
property, property values or anything else. Illegal aliens who crowd
into appartments like rats and live like rats. Like rats, they trash
the place and that attracts more rats. I have seen it happen to more
and more neighborhoods with the same results. It has nothing to do
with labor force being chased away.

[Sanders Kaufman]

Post by BobR

Post by Sanders Kaufman
Well - according to the referenced article, it's the citizens themselves who
consider their neighborhoods to have declined.
That's what happens when the labor force is chased away.

No, that is what happens when people who don't give a shit about
anything and have no vested interest in the property move into the
neighborhood.

The homeowners who live there now are the same ones who lived there when the
anti-immigrant policies were brought up.
They care about their properties - and that's why they hired folks to help
them maintain their properties.
Now, all they have is a bunch of ex-cons, meth-heads and inbred rednecks to
do the work - and they don't SHOW UP.

[Sanders Kaufman]

Post by f. barnes

Post by Sanders Kaufman
Unwilling to hire immigrant labor, and unwilling to do the jobs themselves,
homeowners have let weeds overtake their gardens, hedges go untrimmed and
lawns take over sidewalks.

That's strange, there are no minorities in my town, legal or illegal,
but all the work gets done --- we do it. I find it hard to believe
that Americans in Farmers Branch are all that different. But if they
ARE all that different then how did they come to be that way? I'll
tell you how: they were addicted to unnecessary cheap illegal labor.

That's what they thought too - that the laborers were unnecessary.
And now they're finding out that they DID need them.

Post by f. barnes
But now that they don't have such ready access to that "drug" they
will recover, they will snap out of it. These withdrawal symptoms
will pass.

No - they'll try to do what drunken hillbillies always do - learn to live in
filth.
But Dallas is too cosmopolitan for that - so they'll fall back on the other
Hillbilly strategy - leave the city behind.

[b***@pobox.com]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:14:51 -0500, "Sanders Kaufman"

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by f. barnes

Post by Sanders Kaufman
Unwilling to hire immigrant labor, and unwilling to do the jobs themselves,
homeowners have let weeds overtake their gardens, hedges go untrimmed and
lawns take over sidewalks.

That's strange, there are no minorities in my town, legal or illegal,
but all the work gets done --- we do it. I find it hard to believe
that Americans in Farmers Branch are all that different. But if they
ARE all that different then how did they come to be that way? I'll
tell you how: they were addicted to unnecessary cheap illegal labor.

That's what they thought too - that the laborers were unnecessary.
And now they're finding out that they DID need them.

Post by f. barnes
But now that they don't have such ready access to that "drug" they
will recover, they will snap out of it. These withdrawal symptoms
will pass.

No - they'll try to do what drunken hillbillies always do - learn to live in
filth.
But Dallas is too cosmopolitan for that - so they'll fall back on the other
Hillbilly strategy - leave the city behind.

It's always nice to see dimwitted elitist trash rant. It's even nicer
to watch the teeth fly when they accidently repeat their comments in
front of an adult male.

[f. barnes]

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by f. barnes

Post by Sanders Kaufman
Unwilling to hire immigrant labor, and unwilling to do the jobs themselves,
homeowners have let weeds overtake their gardens, hedges go untrimmed and
lawns take over sidewalks.

That's strange, there are no minorities in my town, legal or illegal,
but all the work gets done --- we do it.  I find it hard to believe
that Americans in Farmers Branch are all that different.   But if they
ARE all that different then how did they come to be that way?   I'll
tell you how: they were addicted to unnecessary cheap illegal labor.

That's what they thought too - that the laborers were unnecessary.
And now they're finding out that they DID need them.

No they don't, except in the way a drug addict needs drugs. And
that's true for everybody in this country but for a few growers.
Bad, harmful, habits can be broken. Americans need to go cold turkey
with illegal labor and become a proud self reliant people again.

By the way, I live in hillbilly redneck country. And, here, people,
by gawd, rely on themselves and their neighbors. You have strange
ideas about hillbillys, very strange. We mow our own lawns. And if
people are sick or elderly then usually young people from their church
will volunteer to take care of their lawn.

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by f. barnes
But now that they don't have such ready access to that "drug" they
will recover, they will snap out of it.  These withdrawal symptoms
will pass.

No - they'll try to do what drunken hillbillies always do - learn to live in
filth.
But Dallas is too cosmopolitan for that - so they'll fall back on the other
Hillbilly strategy - leave the city behind.

[b***@pobox.com]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:14:12 -0700 (PDT), "f. barnes"

Post by f. barnes

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by f. barnes

Post by Sanders Kaufman
Unwilling to hire immigrant labor, and unwilling to do the jobs themselves,
homeowners have let weeds overtake their gardens, hedges go untrimmed and
lawns take over sidewalks.

That's strange, there are no minorities in my town, legal or illegal,
but all the work gets done --- we do it.  I find it hard to believe
that Americans in Farmers Branch are all that different.   But if they
ARE all that different then how did they come to be that way?   I'll
tell you how: they were addicted to unnecessary cheap illegal labor.

That's what they thought too - that the laborers were unnecessary.
And now they're finding out that they DID need them.

No they don't, except in the way a drug addict needs drugs. And
that's true for everybody in this country but for a few growers.
Bad, harmful, habits can be broken. Americans need to go cold turkey
with illegal labor and become a proud self reliant people again.
By the way, I live in hillbilly redneck country. And, here, people,
by gawd, rely on themselves and their neighbors. You have strange
ideas about hillbillys, very strange. We mow our own lawns. And if
people are sick or elderly then usually young people from their church
will volunteer to take care of their lawn.

He's just an ignorant sewer rat who is afraid to leave the overpriced
slum behind and go out into the real world.

Post by f. barnes

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by f. barnes
But now that they don't have such ready access to that "drug" they
will recover, they will snap out of it.  These withdrawal symptoms
will pass.

No - they'll try to do what drunken hillbillies always do - learn to live in
filth.
But Dallas is too cosmopolitan for that - so they'll fall back on the other
Hillbilly strategy - leave the city behind.

[Sanders Kaufman]

Post by f. barnes

Post by Sanders Kaufman
That's what they thought too - that the laborers were unnecessary.
And now they're finding out that they DID need them.

No they don't, except in the way a drug addict needs drugs. And
that's true for everybody in this country but for a few growers.
Bad, harmful, habits can be broken. Americans need to go cold turkey
with illegal labor and become a proud self reliant people again.

We Americans are already proud and self-reliant.
We don't need to fire our labor force to feel better about ourselves.

[BobR]

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by Sanders Kaufman
That's what they thought too - that the laborers were unnecessary.
And now they're finding out that they DID need them.

No they don't, except in the way a drug addict needs drugs.  And
that's true for everybody in this country but for a few growers.
Bad, harmful, habits can be broken.  Americans need to go cold turkey
with illegal labor and become a proud self reliant people again.

We Americans are already proud and self-reliant.
We don't need to fire our labor force to feel better about ourselves.

And we don't need a bunch of illegals to maintain it either

[Sanders Kaufman]

Post by BobR

Post by Sanders Kaufman
We Americans are already proud and self-reliant.
We don't need to fire our labor force to feel better about ourselves.

And we don't need a bunch of illegals to maintain it either

American or Mexican - you'll still get someone who's a criminal.
The big difference is that the Mexicans will work hard - while the Americans
may not even show up.
That's what happened in Farmers Branch.

[f. barnes]

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by Sanders Kaufman
That's what they thought too - that the laborers were unnecessary.
And now they're finding out that they DID need them.

No they don't, except in the way a drug addict needs drugs.  And
that's true for everybody in this country but for a few growers.
Bad, harmful, habits can be broken.  Americans need to go cold turkey
with illegal labor and become a proud self reliant people again.

We Americans are already proud and self-reliant.
We don't need to fire our labor force to feel better about ourselves.

If they are illegal aliens you do. You need to pay enough to hire a
legal workforce or do it yourself. The overwhelming majority of
people in this country do hire legal workers, and have no problem
finding such workers. However in places like Farmers Branch the
illegals came in and drove the wages down so low that the legal
workers left the area.

So you see, an area "needs" illegal workers only if it already has
illegal workers. Where I live, since there are no illegal workers, we
don't need illegal workers, but if the cheap illegals came here and
stayed for a few years, then we would "need" illegal workers. Many
employers would then claim that they couldn't operate without them,
even though they are operating just fine without them now.

[Sanders Kaufman]

Post by f. barnes
However in places like Farmers Branch the
illegals came in and drove the wages down so low that the legal
workers left the area.

It doesn't matter WHAT you offer the hillbillies.
They're no-shows.
And the one's who do show up aren't worth a nickel.

[BobR]

Sanders is an expert on this subject, he is one.

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by f. barnes
However in places like Farmers Branch the
illegals came in and drove the wages down so low that the legal
workers left the area.

It doesn't matter WHAT you offer the hillbillies.
They're no-shows.
And the one's who do show up aren't worth a nickel.

[f.barnes]

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by f. barnes
However in places like Farmers Branch the
illegals came in and drove the wages down so low that the legal
workers left the area.

It doesn't matter WHAT you offer the hillbillies.
They're no-shows.
And the one's who do show up aren't worth a nickel.

The hillbillies around here could outwork a lazy incompetent Mexican
any day. And you don't have to watch them every minute to prevent
them from stealing you blind.

[Sanders Kaufman]

Post by f.barnes

Post by Sanders Kaufman
It doesn't matter WHAT you offer the hillbillies.
They're no-shows.
And the one's who do show up aren't worth a nickel.

The hillbillies around here could outwork a lazy incompetent Mexican
any day. And you don't have to watch them every minute to prevent
them from stealing you blind.

Dallas County jail is chock-full of hillbillies who got caught.

[BobR]

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by f.barnes

Post by Sanders Kaufman
It doesn't matter WHAT you offer the hillbillies.
They're no-shows.
And the one's who do show up aren't worth a nickel.

The hillbillies around here could outwork a lazy incompetent Mexican
any day.   And you don't have to watch them every minute to prevent
them from stealing you blind.

Dallas County jail is chock-full of hillbillies who got caught.

Its also full of hispanics, both legal and illegal so whats your
point?

[Sanders Kaufman]

Post by BobR

Post by Sanders Kaufman
Dallas County jail is chock-full of hillbillies who got caught.

Its also full of hispanics, both legal and illegal so whats your
point?

The point is that hiring Americans rather than Mexicans STILL results in the
hiring of "illegals".
The big difference is that the Mexicans will SHOW UP and work hard.

[BobR]

Bull Shit! The mexicans I have used in the past were mostly worth
exactly what they got paid, and that wasn't much. Sorry but your
argument doesn't stand the value test.

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by BobR

Post by Sanders Kaufman
Dallas County jail is chock-full of hillbillies who got caught.

Its also full of hispanics, both legal and illegal so whats your
point?

The point is that hiring Americans rather than Mexicans STILL results in the
hiring of "illegals".
The big difference is that the Mexicans will SHOW UP and work hard.

[Sanders Kaufman]

Post by BobR
Bull Shit! The mexicans I have used in the past were mostly worth
exactly what they got paid, and that wasn't much. Sorry but your
argument doesn't stand the value test.

So you don't pay them much, and then complained that you didn't get much.
It sounds like you got exactly what you paid for.

[BobR]

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Bull Shit!  The mexicans I have used in the past were mostly worth
exactly what they got paid, and that wasn't much.  Sorry but your
argument doesn't stand the value test.

So you don't pay them much, and then complained that you didn't get much.
It sounds like you got exactly what you paid for.

I paid them what they ask for and as it turns out, they knew they
weren't worth any more. Even then, they were overpaid. That is
exactly why I don't use them for anything anymore. Would rather do it
myself and know it will be done right.

[Sanders Kaufman]

Post by BobR

Post by Sanders Kaufman
So you don't pay them much, and then complained that you didn't get much.
It sounds like you got exactly what you paid for.

I paid them what they ask for and as it turns out, they knew they
weren't worth any more. Even then, they were overpaid. That is
exactly why I don't use them for anything anymore. Would rather do it
myself and know it will be done right.

I paid a white guy to mow my lawn.
It took him 4 weekends and 3 lawn mowers - and I swear he shoulda got a DWI.
He didn't mow ONE straight line and now it'll be months before my lawn can
look good again.

Day-laborers require constant supervision.
That's why they're day-laborers.

The bid difference is that Mexicans come here to WORK, while the hillbillies
are just here because they don't know where to go or what to do or how to do
it.

[f. barnes]

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by BobR

Post by Sanders Kaufman
So you don't pay them much, and then complained that you didn't get much.
It sounds like you got exactly what you paid for.

I paid them what they ask for and as it turns out, they knew they
weren't worth any more.  Even then, they were overpaid.  That is
exactly why I don't use them for anything anymore.  Would rather do it
myself and know it will be done right.

I paid a white guy to mow my lawn.
It took him 4 weekends and 3 lawn mowers - and I swear he shoulda got a DWI.
He didn't mow ONE straight line and now it'll be months before my lawn can
look good again.

A fuken lie.

Post by Sanders Kaufman
Day-laborers require constant supervision.
That's why they're day-laborers.
The bid difference is that Mexicans come here to WORK, while the hillbillies
are just here because they don't know where to go or what to do or how to do
it.

[BobR]

Well, like I said, If you want it done right...do it yourself!

It used to be that every summer the High School Kids would hit the
neighborhoods offering to do lawns but not any more. When I lived in
Spring, there was a group of kids that formed a company called
CollegeBound who would hire only high school and college kids to do
lawn maintenance. They did very well and most people in our
neighborhood used them instead of the illegal alien crews. That is
not the case where I am now and the local youth would clearly rather
roam the neighborhoods destroying than to work for anything. I would
gladly return to a yard service that gave jobs to our local youth but
can't find one.

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by BobR

Post by Sanders Kaufman
So you don't pay them much, and then complained that you didn't get much.
It sounds like you got exactly what you paid for.

I paid them what they ask for and as it turns out, they knew they
weren't worth any more. Even then, they were overpaid. That is
exactly why I don't use them for anything anymore. Would rather do it
myself and know it will be done right.

I paid a white guy to mow my lawn.
It took him 4 weekends and 3 lawn mowers - and I swear he shoulda got a DWI.
He didn't mow ONE straight line and now it'll be months before my lawn can
look good again.
Day-laborers require constant supervision.
That's why they're day-laborers.
The bid difference is that Mexicans come here to WORK, while the hillbillies
are just here because they don't know where to go or what to do or how to do
it.

[f. barnes]

Post by BobR
Well, like I said, If you want it done right...do it yourself!
It used to be that every summer the High School Kids would hit the
neighborhoods offering to do lawns but not any more.  When I lived in
Spring, there was a group of kids that formed a company called
CollegeBound who would hire only high school and college kids to do
lawn maintenance.  They did very well and most people in our
neighborhood used them instead of the illegal alien crews.  That is
not the case where I am now and the local youth would clearly rather
roam the neighborhoods destroying than to work for anything.  I would
gladly return to a yard service that gave jobs to our local youth but
can't find one.

That's because the illegals arrived, underbid them, and put them out
of business. The same thing the illegals have done all over the
country.

Post by BobR

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by BobR

Post by Sanders Kaufman
So you don't pay them much, and then complained that you didn't get much.
It sounds like you got exactly what you paid for.

I paid them what they ask for and as it turns out, they knew they
weren't worth any more.  Even then, they were overpaid.  That is
exactly why I don't use them for anything anymore.  Would rather do it
myself and know it will be done right.

I paid a white guy to mow my lawn.
It took him 4 weekends and 3 lawn mowers - and I swear he shoulda got a DWI.
He didn't mow ONE straight line and now it'll be months before my lawn can
look good again.
Day-laborers require constant supervision.
That's why they're day-laborers.
The bid difference is that Mexicans come here to WORK, while the hillbillies
are just here because they don't know where to go or what to do or how to do
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[Sanders Kaufman]

Post by f. barnes
That's because the illegals arrived, underbid them, and put them out
of business. The same thing the illegals have done all over the
country.

I pay $30-$40 to mow my lawn.
That's upward of $20/hr.
How much MORE do you think an hour worth of unskilled labor should be worth?

[BobR]

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by f. barnes
That's because the illegals arrived, underbid them, and put them out
of business.  The same thing the illegals have done all over the
country.

I pay $30-$40 to mow my lawn.
That's upward of $20/hr.
How much MORE do you think an hour worth of unskilled labor should be worth?

Well, you are getting a bargain. I was paying $30 per week but found
out that the entire crew was illegal. I took over the job myself and
it take me less than 30 minutes to do the same job I was paying them
$30 to do. That works out to $60 per hour and they damn well were not
giving me $60 an hour worth of work. Oh and the yard looks better
than it has ever looked.

Had a major landscape job on the sid of my house earlier in the year.
I did the design work and got a couple of bids on doing the work.
Both came out well over $5000 for doing the work and the supplies. I
decided that was way too much and did it myself over three weekends.
The whole job including all plants and materials cost me about $2400.
That included an extra 1 1/2 tons of flag stone not included in the
bid to do an area not included in the original design. Three weekends
of work and over $2600 dollars saved. More importantly is that the
job was done right and the way I wanted it done.

[Sanders Kaufman]

Post by BobR
Well, like I said, If you want it done right...do it yourself!

Or hire an immigrant.
I find the immigrants QUITE capable.

Post by BobR
That is
not the case where I am now and the local youth would clearly rather
roam the neighborhoods destroying than to work for anything. I would
gladly return to a yard service that gave jobs to our local youth but
can't find one.

It sounds like a great opportunity for you to "do it yourself".
There's a niche there that fills your need - to disemploy the undocumented
immigrants.

You could start a lawn service that does just what you said.
Or you could just complain that none exists and accept the fact that
immigrants are doing the work.
Apparently - you've made your choice.

[BobR]

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by BobR
Well, like I said, If you want it done right...do it yourself!

Or hire an immigrant.
I find the immigrants QUITE capable.

Post by BobR
That is
not the case where I am now and the local youth would clearly rather
roam the neighborhoods destroying than to work for anything.  I would
gladly return to a yard service that gave jobs to our local youth but
can't find one.

It sounds like a great opportunity for you to "do it yourself".
There's a niche there that fills your need - to disemploy the undocumented
immigrants.
You could start a lawn service that does just what you said.
Or you could just complain that none exists and accept the fact that
immigrants are doing the work.
Apparently - you've made your choice.

What, I should turn down a six figure a year job to do a lawn
service? Yes, I did make my choice and I now do my lawn and most
other maintenance myself. If I can't find a service that I need that
doesn't employ illegals, I will do it myself. Just because the
illegals work cheap and undercut those businesses that abide by the
law doesn't mean I have to enable them to continue doing so. Clearly,
you don't care if you fuck over your fellow citizens so long as you
profit from the illegals. One can only hope that the next job lost to
the illegals will be YOURS.

[Sanders Kaufman]

Post by BobR

Post by Sanders Kaufman
You could start a lawn service that does just what you said.
Or you could just complain that none exists and accept the fact that
immigrants are doing the work.
Apparently - you've made your choice.

What, I should turn down a six figure a year job to do a lawn
service? Yes, I did make my choice and I now do my lawn and most
other maintenance myself.

If you spent as much time organizing your community's youth as you do
complaining that they are not organized, you could solve your immigration
problem AND your vandalization problem.

[Mike]

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by f.barnes

Post by Sanders Kaufman
It doesn't matter WHAT you offer the hillbillies.
They're no-shows.
And the one's who do show up aren't worth a nickel.

The hillbillies around here could outwork a lazy incompetent Mexican
any day.   And you don't have to watch them every minute to prevent
them from stealing you blind.

Dallas County jail is chock-full of hillbillies who got caught.

Caught doin' what? Making 'shine? Or feudin' with th' nabors?

We had us a big hootnanny in Farmers Branch t'other night, got
ourselves full o' likker and started hollerin' an' whoopin' it up.
We was shootin' our guns in the air 'n takin' pot shots at one nuther
just for fun. Then someone yelled out, "Fire 'n the hole!" Cops was
all over the place. We all lit out for Ol' Smokey but some of us got
busted and hauled off to Dallas County jail anyways.

You prolly read all about that in them thar newspapers.

That's ok. The revenuers that was with the cops only found a a few of
our stills, so we'll all be gettin' drunker than hogs this weekend.
Farmers Branch will never change.

[j***@yahoo.com]

Post by Sanders Kaufman

Post by f. barnes

Post by Sanders Kaufman
Unwilling to hire immigrant labor, and unwilling to do the jobs themselves,
homeowners have let weeds overtake their gardens, hedges go untrimmed and
lawns take over sidewalks.

That's strange, there are no minorities in my town, legal or illegal,
but all the work gets done --- we do it.  I find it hard to believe
that Americans in Farmers Branch are all that different.   But if they
ARE all that different then how did they come to be that way?   I'll
tell you how: they were addicted to unnecessary cheap illegal labor.

That's what they thought too - that the laborers were unnecessary.
And now they're finding out that they DID need them.

Post by f. barnes
But now that they don't have such ready access to that "drug" they
will recover, they will snap out of it.  These withdrawal symptoms
will pass.

No - they'll try to do what drunken hillbillies always do - learn to live in
filth.
But Dallas is too cosmopolitan for that - so they'll fall back on the other
Hillbilly strategy - leave the city behind.

Sanders,
You should move to South L.A. and immerse yourself in the "glory" of
hispanic "culture". I mean... really dig in, put yourself in the
thick of it. But liberal pansies like you wouldn't do that... no,
cafe liberal pricks like you sip your latte's and talk about how
wonderful "diversity" is, then you drive back to your lily white,
gated community.

[Sanders Kaufman]

Post by j***@yahoo.com

Post by Sanders Kaufman
No - they'll try to do what drunken hillbillies always do - learn to live in
filth.
But Dallas is too cosmopolitan for that - so they'll fall back on the other
Hillbilly strategy - leave the city behind.

Sanders,
You should move to South L.A. and immerse yourself in the "glory" of
hispanic "culture".

We have plenty of Mexicans here in Texas for anyone here to see that the
Mexicans are fine people.

Post by j***@yahoo.com
I mean... really dig in, put yourself in the
thick of it. But liberal pansies like you wouldn't do that... no,
cafe liberal pricks like you sip your latte's and talk about how
wonderful "diversity" is, then you drive back to your lily white,
gated community.

So - because I choose to live in Texas instead of Los Angeles - I'm a
Liberal?!
That's a really dumb thing, even for a bigot like you, to say.

[Mike]

"http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/081..."
In the wake of their successfully "No Mexicans Wanted" campaign, the
residents of Farmers Branch are complaining that the neighborhoods have so
fallen into disrepair that it has become "pretty hideous".
Unwilling to hire immigrant labor, and unwilling to do the jobs themselves,
homeowners have let weeds overtake their gardens, hedges go untrimmed and
lawns take over sidewalks.

I live in Lewisville, not far from Farmer's Branch, and we have the
same ordinance here. It has nothing whatsoever to do with illegals,
who are still in Farmer's Branch and surrounding communities in
abundance.

You really ought to give it up, you sad, mishappen little dwarf.