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ham radio license plates
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radioguy
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People will complain about "interference" where none exists, simply because they see an antenna. In their >>>minds, antenna equals interference so any little blip or hiss in their electronics is blamed on the antenna. >>>Especially if they find out that the antenna itself is legal, they feel like the need to find some other reason to >>>bitch and moan about it and "interference" is the easiest option.
Not just antennas. Even hams who completely complied with their hoa
restrictions by not having any antennas or radios anywhere at all in
or on their homes or cars at all, no antennas at all, no radios at
all, still got fined by their hoas for causing rfi to the neighbors
simply becaue the neighbors and hoas saw ham license plates on the
hams' cars even though there was no hoa rule forbidding having legally-
registered legal ham license plates on their vbehicles.

Although the hoas then claimed there was by using the "no obnoxious
activities clause" and having a legal ham radio license plate
registered with the state bmv on your legally-registered car was
considered by the hoas as causing obnoxious activities even if you
don't have any radios or antennas at all because as eberyone in all
the hoas knoww, just having a ham radio license plate alone causes
radio frequency interference to all their consumer electronics.

Even after it was proved to the hoas there were no two-way radios at
all and no antennas at all, the fines against the hams stood because
of having a ham radio license plate under the "no obn oxious
activities" clause and to the hoas, having a ham radio license plate
on your car is an onoxious activity since having that type of license
plate on your car causes all sorts of interference 24/7 all day long
and all night long to all the neighbors electronics.

The neighbors in those hoas even complained it caused rfi all day and
night long 24/7.

Also, you don't even need a ham radio license plate for it to happen.

Some hams in certain hoas who did not have any antennas at all in the
hoa, no radios in the hoa at all, and no ham license plates on their
vehicles got complaints from the neighbors and fimes from the hoas due
to there mere presence in the neighborhood even without radios,
antennas, or license plates cause rfi to all the electronics since
they are licensed ham radio operators.

The neighbors knew those hams did not have any radios, antennas, or
license plates against hoa rules, but since they were licensed ham
radio operators, their mere presence in the neighborhood caused
constant rfi 24/7

And they wanted the ham radio operators out of the neighborhood and
living somewhere else since their mere bodily presence in the
neighborhood caused rfi 24/7 to all of the neighbors' tv sets. radios,
computeers. surround systems, lights, toasters, carpets, and toilets.

Yes, some of the neighbors in the hoa said even though the ham did not
have any radios or antennas, that because of the mere presence of the
ham being in the neighborhood, they could constantly hear the hams'
voice coming out of their toilets 24/7 and everyone else he was
talking to (even when the ham was at work over thirty miles away).

Also, the claims that this is a violation of all the neighbors;'
prvacy since the ham's mere presence in the neighborhood
autromatically transmits the voices of whoever he's talking to
(without a radio) into the other neighbors' toilets where those
neighbors can hear the other neighbors,

and also into the other neighbors toasters, computers, surround sound
amps, refrigerators, radios, tv sets, cuckoo clocks, stoves, bathtuns,
sinks, carpets, dining toom tables, wallpaper, paper notebooks,
clothes hanging in the closet, toothpaste bottles and toothbrushes,
etcetera.

The hams' voive and the vboice of everyone he's talking to coming out
of all of those objects because of rfi he's causing 24/7 to all those
objexts.

All without a radio and eeithout an antenna. Just his mere presence in
the neighborhood automatically does it since he is a federally-
licensed ham radio operator.
richard
2010-09-24 21:35:30 UTC
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People will complain about "interference" where none exists, simply because they see an antenna. In their >>>minds, antenna equals interference so any little blip or hiss in their electronics is blamed on the antenna. >>>Especially if they find out that the antenna itself is legal, they feel like the need to find some other reason to >>>bitch and moan about it and "interference" is the easiest option.
Not just antennas. Even hams who completely complied with their hoa
restrictions by not having any antennas or radios anywhere at all in
or on their homes or cars at all, no antennas at all, no radios at
all, still got fined by their hoas for causing rfi to the neighbors
simply becaue the neighbors and hoas saw ham license plates on the
hams' cars even though there was no hoa rule forbidding having legally-
registered legal ham license plates on their vbehicles.
Although the hoas then claimed there was by using the "no obnoxious
activities clause" and having a legal ham radio license plate
registered with the state bmv on your legally-registered car was
considered by the hoas as causing obnoxious activities even if you
don't have any radios or antennas at all because as eberyone in all
the hoas knoww, just having a ham radio license plate alone causes
radio frequency interference to all their consumer electronics.
Even after it was proved to the hoas there were no two-way radios at
all and no antennas at all, the fines against the hams stood because
of having a ham radio license plate under the "no obn oxious
activities" clause and to the hoas, having a ham radio license plate
on your car is an onoxious activity since having that type of license
plate on your car causes all sorts of interference 24/7 all day long
and all night long to all the neighbors electronics.
The neighbors in those hoas even complained it caused rfi all day and
night long 24/7.
Also, you don't even need a ham radio license plate for it to happen.
Some hams in certain hoas who did not have any antennas at all in the
hoa, no radios in the hoa at all, and no ham license plates on their
vehicles got complaints from the neighbors and fimes from the hoas due
to there mere presence in the neighborhood even without radios,
antennas, or license plates cause rfi to all the electronics since
they are licensed ham radio operators.
The neighbors knew those hams did not have any radios, antennas, or
license plates against hoa rules, but since they were licensed ham
radio operators, their mere presence in the neighborhood caused
constant rfi 24/7
And they wanted the ham radio operators out of the neighborhood and
living somewhere else since their mere bodily presence in the
neighborhood caused rfi 24/7 to all of the neighbors' tv sets. radios,
computeers. surround systems, lights, toasters, carpets, and toilets.
Yes, some of the neighbors in the hoa said even though the ham did not
have any radios or antennas, that because of the mere presence of the
ham being in the neighborhood, they could constantly hear the hams'
voice coming out of their toilets 24/7 and everyone else he was
talking to (even when the ham was at work over thirty miles away).
Also, the claims that this is a violation of all the neighbors;'
prvacy since the ham's mere presence in the neighborhood
autromatically transmits the voices of whoever he's talking to
(without a radio) into the other neighbors' toilets where those
neighbors can hear the other neighbors,
and also into the other neighbors toasters, computers, surround sound
amps, refrigerators, radios, tv sets, cuckoo clocks, stoves, bathtuns,
sinks, carpets, dining toom tables, wallpaper, paper notebooks,
clothes hanging in the closet, toothpaste bottles and toothbrushes,
etcetera.
The hams' voive and the vboice of everyone he's talking to coming out
of all of those objects because of rfi he's causing 24/7 to all those
objexts.
All without a radio and eeithout an antenna. Just his mere presence in
the neighborhood automatically does it since he is a federally-
licensed ham radio operator.
These people need to have their butts kicked hard in court.
No HOA has authority to persecute someone who has not signed the agreement.
They sure as hell don't have authority outside of their property, which is
what a public street is.
If a judge is siding with the HOA, then that means the judge is taking
kickbacks from them.

You need to research the state law on what all it allows an HOA to enforce.
That clause you give sounds fishy and may not be legal.

What do they do when a cop shows up at a house? Have his car towed and fine
him for the infractions?

Here's something you can try. Gather up 20 or so CB'ers and have them come
park in front of your house on the street. Make sure they all have visibile
antennas. When the tow truck shows up, advise the HOA people he's violating
the clause because of his two way radios. Not to mention his 'Obnoxious
activity'. Then, call the cops and file charges of grand theft auto on
them.


BTW, aren't HOA's requried to have elections for the board of directors?
What's preventing you from getting involved and getting on the board?

My brother is on his HOA's board now and he wasn't even looking for the
job.

It's time you took legal action these assholes.
richard
2010-09-25 18:48:36 UTC
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People will complain about "interference" where none exists, simply because they see an antenna. In their >>>minds, antenna equals interference so any little blip or hiss in their electronics is blamed on the antenna. >>>Especially if they find out that the antenna itself is legal, they feel like the need to find some other reason to >>>bitch and moan about it and "interference" is the easiest option.
Not just antennas. Even hams who completely complied with their hoa
restrictions by not having any antennas or radios anywhere at all in
or on their homes or cars at all, no antennas at all, no radios at
all, still got fined by their hoas for causing rfi to the neighbors
simply becaue the neighbors and hoas saw ham license plates on the
hams' cars even though there was no hoa rule forbidding having legally-
registered legal ham license plates on their vbehicles.
Although the hoas then claimed there was by using the "no obnoxious
activities clause" and having a legal ham radio license plate
registered with the state bmv on your legally-registered car was
considered by the hoas as causing obnoxious activities even if you
don't have any radios or antennas at all because as eberyone in all
the hoas knoww, just having a ham radio license plate alone causes
radio frequency interference to all their consumer electronics.
Even after it was proved to the hoas there were no two-way radios at
all and no antennas at all, the fines against the hams stood because
of having a ham radio license plate under the "no obn oxious
activities" clause and to the hoas, having a ham radio license plate
on your car is an onoxious activity since having that type of license
plate on your car causes all sorts of interference 24/7 all day long
and all night long to all the neighbors electronics.
The neighbors in those hoas even complained it caused rfi all day and
night long 24/7.
Also, you don't even need a ham radio license plate for it to happen.
Some hams in certain hoas who did not have any antennas at all in the
hoa, no radios in the hoa at all, and no ham license plates on their
vehicles got complaints from the neighbors and fimes from the hoas due
to there mere presence in the neighborhood even without radios,
antennas, or license plates cause rfi to all the electronics since
they are licensed ham radio operators.
The neighbors knew those hams did not have any radios, antennas, or
license plates against hoa rules, but since they were licensed ham
radio operators, their mere presence in the neighborhood caused
constant rfi 24/7
And they wanted the ham radio operators out of the neighborhood and
living somewhere else since their mere bodily presence in the
neighborhood caused rfi 24/7 to all of the neighbors' tv sets. radios,
computeers. surround systems, lights, toasters, carpets, and toilets.
Yes, some of the neighbors in the hoa said even though the ham did not
have any radios or antennas, that because of the mere presence of the
ham being in the neighborhood, they could constantly hear the hams'
voice coming out of their toilets 24/7 and everyone else he was
talking to (even when the ham was at work over thirty miles away).
Also, the claims that this is a violation of all the neighbors;'
prvacy since the ham's mere presence in the neighborhood
autromatically transmits the voices of whoever he's talking to
(without a radio) into the other neighbors' toilets where those
neighbors can hear the other neighbors,
and also into the other neighbors toasters, computers, surround sound
amps, refrigerators, radios, tv sets, cuckoo clocks, stoves, bathtuns,
sinks, carpets, dining toom tables, wallpaper, paper notebooks,
clothes hanging in the closet, toothpaste bottles and toothbrushes,
etcetera.
The hams' voive and the vboice of everyone he's talking to coming out
of all of those objects because of rfi he's causing 24/7 to all those
objexts.
All without a radio and eeithout an antenna. Just his mere presence in
the neighborhood automatically does it since he is a federally-
licensed ham radio operator.
If this is in arizona here's some legal information for you.

Section 1. Title 33, chapter 16, article 1, Arizona Revised Statutes, is
amended by adding section 33-1815, to read:

33-1815. Community authority over public roadways

Notwithstanding any provision in the community documents, an association
has no authority over and shall not regulate any roadway, easement or other
area for which the ownership or use has been dedicated to a governmental
entity or that is otherwise under the legal authority of a governmental
entity. An association has jurisdiction over only those roadways, easements
and other areas that remain under the ownership of the association.

So if you are now fined by the HOA, take the bastards to court and
challenge.
IOW, the HOA can not legally fine anyone, resident or not, for any parking
infraction on a public roadway. Even if they use the "obnoxious activity"
clause.
They would have to prove that the roadway is their property and has never
been "dedicated" as public use. If the community is not gated, nor have the
streets marked as "private property", they are screwed.
radioguy
2010-10-08 19:00:22 UTC
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IOW, the HOA can not legally fine anyone, resident or not, for any parking
infraction on a public roadway. Even if they use the "obnoxious activity"
clause.
They would have to prove that the roadway is their property and has never
been "dedicated" as public use. If the community is not gated, nor have the
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actually they can. All they have to do is elect their nimbys to the
twonship/city government positions and pass new new non-revokable
nimby allows allowing the hoas to do so, just like several counties
have already elected nimbys to government zoning positions who then
passed new non-revokable nimby laws which state that it is against the
law to sell your non-hoa non-CC&R house until AFTER you add non-
revokable CC&Rs requiring joining the nearest hoa (s) by all
purchasers of it from now on to it.

There was a couple who sued the city for allowing a cell phone company
to build a cell phone tower on city-owned property that was near their
backyard, but was NOT part of their backyard and was not part of the
hoa, and not part of any CC&R development and the hoa couple won the
lawsuit against the city.


It was a jurt trial, and of course, the jury was made up mostly of
nimby residents who lived in that nimby hoa.

m/2007/11/nimby-factor.html

There was also a nimby hoa couple who fought the city because the
city's bus route had the bus going in front of therir hoa house on the
public street everyday, and they did not want to see a bus going by.

It didn't stop to pick up or drop off passengers near their house, it
just drove by, but they did not want to see a bus going by everyday
because it's a neighborhood destroyer and subdivision killer which
lowers property values, noisy, smelly, and dangerous, and a threat to
their mental, emotional, and physical health.


http://residentsact.blogspot.com/2007/11/nimby-factor.html

And then there's the nimby laws passed by the nimbys in the zoning
department in my township outlawing all junk cars from being anywhere
in the township whether parked or not.

It's printed right in the zoning laws.

So what you say? "A lot of cities have ordinances against having junk
cars and you shouldn't have a junk car".

Okay then, but it's also printed in the zoning laws here that a junk
car id defined as "any car which is three model years old or older".

So if you park somewhere, go into a store, and find your car gone and
impounded, or even if you're driving it down the road, a cop stops you
for illegally having a junk car and has it towed away and impounded,
it's your own fault for driving a junk car. You should NOT have been
driving a junk car. You SHOULD HAVE been driving a car that is newer
than three years old.

I can't afford to buy a brand new car every three years. I can't even
afford a car that's that new.

And of course the same nimby's pass laws making it illegal to use the
buses, or to walk aanywhere. Walking gives the impression you're
homeless and brings down the property values of all the houses in the
city or township.

Of course, I was originally talking about hoas towing visitors cars
for violating the hoa rules on antennas on vehicleles, car color, car
make, car model, year car was made, type of license plates on the car,
etcetera.

I can't afford a car of every color to satisfy every different hoa
rules when I visit my relatives, or several cars of different makes
and models, or several cars of different rules.

I also can't afford to keep repainting a car every time I drive from
visiting one hoa residence to another.

such as if it was visiting my brother in a hoa that allows only blue
cars, then visiting my uncle in a hoa that allows only red cars, then
visiting my other uncle and aunt in a hoa that only allows tan cars,
then visiting my other aunt in a hoa that only allows brown cars.


If you have the wrong color car in any of those, you're automatically
towed by the hoa even though you NEVER signed ANY hoa agreement with
them, NEVER Signed ANY CC&rs with them, live in NON-HOA NON-CC&R
housing and land.

Andwhile some of the above are townhomes, it also happens when the
person you're visiting lives on what is supposed to be their own
individual house on their own individual land, not part of any
townhome community and not part of a gated community and not part of a
non-gated community either.

Also there is at least one hoa around here who has entrances from two
different public roads on different sides of the townhome community.

While the west side ebtrance has a "no trespassing sign", the north
side entrance does not, and cars on that road don't have any idea that
they're not allowed to enter into it, and think it's part of the
public roads.
Science Wins
2010-10-10 23:30:17 UTC
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Post by richard
IOW, the HOA can not legally fine anyone, resident or not, for any parking
infraction on a public roadway. Even if they use the "obnoxious activity"
clause.
They would have to prove that the roadway is their property and has never
been "dedicated" as public use. If the community is not gated, nor have the
streets marked as "private property", they are screwed.- Hide quoted text -
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actually they can. All they have to do is elect their nimbys to
<bovine fecal matter snipped?\>

Your tin foil hat is malfunctioning again.
Kev
2010-10-11 15:16:06 UTC
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radioguy wrote:

You are full of shit. MOST people wouldn't even know what a HAM call was
and wouldn't know HAM call plates if you hit them over the head with one


Kev
Science Wins
2010-10-11 18:04:23 UTC
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You are full of shit. MOST people wouldn't even know what a HAM call was
and wouldn't know HAM call plates if you hit them over the head with one
Kev
One of his many lies is the one about an ordinance that disallows a
homeowner from having vehicles if they are "Three model years or more" of
age. He left out the rest of the definition in which the ordinance states
that the vehicles must also be parked "in view of a public right-of-way and
are inoperable."
The guy is simply trying to stir the CB types with his silliness.
Scott in Baltimore
2010-10-12 00:05:09 UTC
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The guy is simply trying to stir the CB types with his silliness.
Anybody that starts their post with an "X-NO-ARCHIVE" is a troll
and needs to be ignored. It must be nice to be able to sit around
the abode all day and think of this silly stuff. Also notice how
he cross-posts the trolling to many news groups at the same time.
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