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radioguy
2010-09-23 18:14:17 UTC
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<<<Amateur radio doesn't require any form of ciphering. As we know,
ciphering on ham radio is illegal today.


Then why do all the ham radio tests require you to cipher to pass
them if ciphering on ham radio is illegal?


I hear hams ciphering all the time on ham radio.


That's one of the main purposes of the hobnby.


How can one of the main purposes of the hobby be illegal
Roy
2010-09-23 18:19:51 UTC
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<<<Amateur radio doesn't require any form of ciphering. As we know,
ciphering on ham radio is illegal today.
Then why do all the ham radio tests require you to cipher to pass
them if ciphering on ham radio is illegal?
I hear hams ciphering all the time on ham radio.
That's one of the main purposes of the hobnby.
How can one of the main purposes of the hobby be illegal
I am sure that radioguy is well aware of the rules.

Section 97.1 13(a)(4) of the FCC rules prohibits "messages in codes or
ciphers intended to obscure the meaning thereof, except as otherwise
provided herein.. ."

Therefore the use of something like Morse code is perfectly legal
Evan Platt
2010-09-24 03:22:05 UTC
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Then why do all the ham radio tests require you to cipher to pass
them if ciphering on ham radio is illegal?
Morse code hasn't been 'required' for ... gosh, 10 years at least.
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radioguy
2010-10-08 19:19:02 UTC
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<<<Amateur radio doesn't require any form of ciphering. As we know,
ciphering on ham radio is illegal today.
Then why do all the ham radio tests require you to cipher  to pass
them if ciphering on ham radio is illegal?
I hear hams ciphering all the time on ham radio.
That's one of the main purposes of the hobnby.
How can one of the main purposes of the hobby be illegal
I am sure that radioguy is well aware of the rules.
Section 97.1 13(a)(4) of the FCC rules prohibits "messages in codes or
ciphers intended to obscure the meaning thereof, except as otherwise
provided herein.. ."
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no one mentioned coded messafges except you,, only ciphers and
ciphering.

Of course, NOW I see the emcom people finally got their anti-technical
attitude passed into fcc law (or fcc rules, if you prefer),

ever since the FCC allowed emergency drills by employees, that's about
all I hear on ham radio anymore in the evenings and on weekends.

No more technical discussions. just practice emcom drills.

Nothing wrong with emcom drills, but

no more technical talk is allowed on ham radio since it's against FCC
rules. You can no longer cipher the formulas for the value of
resistors, capacitors, and other electronic circxuits because as
several people in the newsgroups have already said, "ciphering on ham
radio is illegal" and "ciphering isn't allowed on ham radio", and
"ciphering on gham radio is against FCC rules".

Emcom finally got their way to eliminate all technical talk from ham
radio.

Which was one of the main purposes of ham radio for decades and
throughout the whole 20'th century, but no more in the 21'st century.
richard
2010-09-23 19:26:11 UTC
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<<<Amateur radio doesn't require any form of ciphering. As we know,
ciphering on ham radio is illegal today.
Then why do all the ham radio tests require you to cipher to pass
them if ciphering on ham radio is illegal?
I hear hams ciphering all the time on ham radio.
That's one of the main purposes of the hobnby.
How can one of the main purposes of the hobby be illegal
Morse code is not ciphering, it is a valid means of communication.
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