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radioguy
2010-09-22 02:13:06 UTC
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I was once told by a co-worker (a self-appointed "policeman") that I could not legally use my ham radio on >>>company property because the company was owned by a French company. I quickly told that employee that >>>it was still US soil and to get lost.
Not entirely true. When you are on private property, the property owner has the legal right to disallow >>your >>ham radio. Failure to respect his company policies request can get you charged with trespassing. Oh >>yea, not to mention, fired!
Then I'd like to see them try and tell the federal marshalls they're
not allowed to operate their radios or have guns on their propery even
though they're federally licensed to do so since it's privaye property
and they as owners of the privaye property don't allow two way radios
on their private property and don't allow guns on their private
property.

when the feds come to arrest them for illegally operating cb radios
advertised as "10 meter radios" with illegal linear amplifiers pumping
out two thousand watst or more hooked up.
richard
2010-09-22 02:38:23 UTC
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I was once told by a co-worker (a self-appointed "policeman") that I could not legally use my ham radio on >>>company property because the company was owned by a French company. I quickly told that employee that >>>it was still US soil and to get lost.
Not entirely true. When you are on private property, the property owner has the legal right to disallow >>your >>ham radio. Failure to respect his company policies request can get you charged with trespassing. Oh >>yea, not to mention, fired!
Then I'd like to see them try and tell the federal marshalls they're
not allowed to operate their radios or have guns on their propery even
though they're federally licensed to do so since it's privaye property
and they as owners of the privaye property don't allow two way radios
on their private property and don't allow guns on their private
property.
when the feds come to arrest them for illegally operating cb radios
advertised as "10 meter radios" with illegal linear amplifiers pumping
out two thousand watst or more hooked up.
Actually, companies can do just that.
Being owned by a French company means nothing.
If the company policy says you may not use two way radios on that
property,then you can be charged with trespassing for doing so.

Can a company deny an officer of the law entry because he is armed?
Yes they can. Companies that produce hazardous materials do it all the
time.
I do not know the legality behind the issue of a search warrant, if a
company can then deny entrance as long as the officers are armed.
After all, a company has the legal right to protect itself and it's
employees from possible harm by outsiders who could possibly ignite the
place on fire.
radioguy
2010-09-22 02:52:06 UTC
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I was once told by a co-worker (a self-appointed "policeman") that I could not legally use my ham radio on >>>company property because the company was owned by a French company. I quickly told that employee that >>>it was still US soil and to get lost.
Not entirely true.  When you are on private property, the property owner has the legal right to disallow >>your >>ham radio. Failure to respect his company policies request can get you charged with trespassing. Oh >>yea, not to mention, fired!
Then I'd like to see them  try and tell the federal marshalls they're
not allowed to operate their radios or have guns on their propery even
though they're federally licensed to do so since it's privaye property
and they as owners of the privaye property don't allow two way radios
on their private property and don't allow guns on their private
property.
when the feds come to arrest them for illegally operating cb radios
advertised as "10 meter radios" with illegal linear amplifiers pumping
out two thousand watst or more hooked up.
Actually, companies can do just that.
Being owned by a French company means nothing.
If the company policy says you may not use two way radios on that
property,then you can be charged with trespassing for doing so.
Can a company deny an officer of the law entry because he is armed?
Yes they can. Companies that produce hazardous materials do it all the
time.
 I do not know the legality behind the issue of a search warrant, if a
company can then deny entrance as long as the officers are armed.
After all, a company has the legal right to protect itself and it's
employees from possible harm by outsiders who could possibly ignite the
place on fire.- Hide quoted text -
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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/fcc-raid/
richard
2010-09-22 06:31:19 UTC
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I was once told by a co-worker (a self-appointed "policeman") that I could not legally use my ham radio on >>>company property because the company was owned by a French company. I quickly told that employee that >>>it was still US soil and to get lost.
Not entirely true.  When you are on private property, the property owner has the legal right to disallow >>your >>ham radio. Failure to respect his company policies request can get you charged with trespassing. Oh >>yea, not to mention, fired!
Then I'd like to see them  try and tell the federal marshalls they're
not allowed to operate their radios or have guns on their propery even
though they're federally licensed to do so since it's privaye property
and they as owners of the privaye property don't allow two way radios
on their private property and don't allow guns on their private
property.
when the feds come to arrest them for illegally operating cb radios
advertised as "10 meter radios" with illegal linear amplifiers pumping
out two thousand watst or more hooked up.
Actually, companies can do just that.
Being owned by a French company means nothing.
If the company policy says you may not use two way radios on that
property,then you can be charged with trespassing for doing so.
Can a company deny an officer of the law entry because he is armed?
Yes they can. Companies that produce hazardous materials do it all the
time.
 I do not know the legality behind the issue of a search warrant, if a
company can then deny entrance as long as the officers are armed.
After all, a company has the legal right to protect itself and it's
employees from possible harm by outsiders who could possibly ignite the
place on fire.- Hide quoted text -
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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/fcc-raid/
Not in my house. Without my permission to enter they would have to obtain a
search warrant served by an actual officer of the law.
They are private citizens. They have no authority.
When the FCC makes a bust, they do so with the local cops who do the actual
charging.

Simply by the fact that you own an RF device does not legally grant them
entry. An inspection is not probable cause to enter without a warrant.

I'm sure some have been busted for illegal radio uses and fined but that
was only because the judge wasn't educated on the subject.

After all, just how many inspections can a handfull of people do?
Bruce Gordon
2010-09-22 23:03:15 UTC
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Not in my house. Without my permission to enter they would have to obtain a
search warrant served by an actual officer of the law.
They are private citizens. They have no authority.
When the FCC makes a bust, they do so with the local cops who do the actual
charging.
Simply by the fact that you own an RF device does not legally grant them
entry. An inspection is not probable cause to enter without a warrant.
I'm sure some have been busted for illegal radio uses and fined but that
was only because the judge wasn't educated on the subject.
After all, just how many inspections can a handfull of people do?
Actually NO, the FCC would bring a Federal Marshal with them to do the
Heavy Lifting, in such a case. The FCC Field Agent does NOT have Police
Powers and therefor requires the Federal Marshal to do the arresting, or
if it is a on a boat or Marine vessel, they would get a USCG Officer.
they would only use the local Police, if no Federal Marshal was
available, and the need was critical, and urgent.

A reTired FCC Field Agent... who has called on both the Federal Marshals
and USCG, to provide the Muscle on various occasions.
richard
2010-09-23 04:41:55 UTC
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Not in my house. Without my permission to enter they would have to obtain a
search warrant served by an actual officer of the law.
They are private citizens. They have no authority.
When the FCC makes a bust, they do so with the local cops who do the actual
charging.
Simply by the fact that you own an RF device does not legally grant them
entry. An inspection is not probable cause to enter without a warrant.
I'm sure some have been busted for illegal radio uses and fined but that
was only because the judge wasn't educated on the subject.
After all, just how many inspections can a handfull of people do?
Actually NO, the FCC would bring a Federal Marshal with them to do the
Heavy Lifting, in such a case. The FCC Field Agent does NOT have Police
Powers and therefor requires the Federal Marshal to do the arresting, or
if it is a on a boat or Marine vessel, they would get a USCG Officer.
they would only use the local Police, if no Federal Marshal was
available, and the need was critical, and urgent.
A reTired FCC Field Agent... who has called on both the Federal Marshals
and USCG, to provide the Muscle on various occasions.
The question is, can an FCC inspector legally enter a home on the ruse to
inspect an RF device, with the home owner forced to comply?
Not in my house you won't. I don't give a damn how many marshals you got
with you. No search warrant, no entry. The court would side with me.
If the lower court sided with you, then I'd have to take the issue to a
higher court before you got a dime.

See the 4th amendment. "Citizens have the right to be secure in their
home....".

Would you allow a cop to enter your home because he wanted to see if you
had any drugs with no search warrant?
This is precisely why we have the 4th amendment.
radioguy
2010-10-15 13:46:51 UTC
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Not in my house. Without my permission to enter they would have to obtain a
search warrant served by an actual officer of the law.
They are private citizens. They have no authority.
When the FCC makes a bust, they do so with the local cops who do the actual
charging.
Simply by the fact that you own an RF device does not legally grant them
entry. An inspection is not probable cause to enter without a warrant.
I'm sure some have been busted for illegal radio uses and fined but that
was only because the judge wasn't educated on the subject.
After all, just how many inspections can a handfull of people do?
Actually NO, the FCC would bring a Federal Marshal with them to do the
Heavy Lifting, in such a case. The FCC Field Agent does NOT have Police
Powers and therefor requires the Federal Marshal to do the arresting, or
if it is a on a boat or Marine vessel, they would get a USCG Officer.
they would only use the local Police, if no Federal Marshal was
available, and the need was critical, and urgent.
A reTired FCC Field Agent... who has called on both the Federal Marshals
and USCG, to provide the Muscle on various occasions.
The question is, can an FCC inspector legally enter a home on the ruse to
inspect an RF device, with the home owner forced to comply?
Not in my house you won't. I don't give a damn how many marshals you got
with you. No search warrant, no entry. The court would side with me.
If the lower court sided with you, then I'd have to take the issue to a
higher court before you got a dime.
See the 4th amendment. "Citizens have the right to be secure in their
home....".
Would you allow a cop to enter your home because he wanted to see if you
had any drugs with no search warrant?
This is precisely why we have the 4th amendment.- Hide quoted text -
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What happened to our constitutionally-guaranteed 4'th amendment
rights?????

the 4'th amendment didn't do any good for the Cuyahoga County, Ohio
officials who were recently arrested by the Feds on their own private
property, some of whom had signs saying "no trespassing allowed".and
"no guns allowed on the premises"

The Feds recently arrested most of the Cuyahoga County, Ohio
government at thir own private homes on their own private property for
"corruption".

And no, they did NOT use the local Cuahoga County police to make the
arrests (as another poster said they have to).

Because they determined the local Cuyahoga County police are also
corrupt and the feds also arresteed the deputy, along with other
police officials.

And no, the Cuyahoga County judges did NOT rule against the feds (as
the other poster said they would by law have to)

Mainly because the feds also decided the local judges are also corrupt
and arrested both judges,

to haul them off to prison also.

"There goes da judges. There goes da judges"
Don Piven
2010-10-15 14:10:24 UTC
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What happened to our constitutionally-guaranteed 4'th amendment
rights?????
the 4'th amendment didn't do any good for the Cuyahoga County, Ohio
officials who were recently arrested by the Feds on their own private
property, some of whom had signs saying "no trespassing allowed".and
"no guns allowed on the premises"
You might want to get an adult to Google "arrest warrant" for you.

Jeez, you're a waterhead.
you
2010-10-15 18:54:01 UTC
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What happened to our constitutionally-guaranteed 4'th amendment
rights?????
the 4'th amendment didn't do any good for the Cuyahoga County, Ohio
officials who were recently arrested by the Feds on their own private
property, some of whom had signs saying "no trespassing allowed".and
"no guns allowed on the premises"
The Feds recently arrested most of the Cuyahoga County, Ohio
government at thir own private homes on their own private property for
"corruption".
And no, they did NOT use the local Cuahoga County police to make the
arrests (as another poster said they have to).
Because they determined the local Cuyahoga County police are also
corrupt and the feds also arresteed the deputy, along with other
police officials.
And no, the Cuyahoga County judges did NOT rule against the feds (as
the other poster said they would by law have to)
Mainly because the feds also decided the local judges are also corrupt
and arrested both judges,
to haul them off to prison also.
"There goes da judges. There goes da judges"
Apparently Mr. Radioguy has never excictuted heard of a Federal Warrant
for Arrest, under Federal Law, served by US Marshals, who by their
charter, have jurisdiction ANYWHERE in US Territory.... A US Marshal is
the very LAST fellow you want after you, because he/she has CartBlanc in
locating you, and serving the warrant that he/she is operating under.
You NEVER mess with a US Marshal, PERIOD....
ap-p;4
2010-10-16 01:20:23 UTC
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Post by radioguy
What happened to our constitutionally-guaranteed 4'th amendment
rights?????
the 4'th amendment didn't do any good for the Cuyahoga County, Ohio
officials who were recently arrested by the Feds on their own private
property, some of whom had signs saying "no trespassing allowed".and
"no guns allowed on the premises"
The Feds recently arrested most of the Cuyahoga County, Ohio
government at thir own private homes on their own private property for
"corruption".
And no, they did NOT use the local Cuahoga County police to make the
arrests (as another poster said they have to).
Because they determined the local Cuyahoga County police are also
corrupt and the feds also arresteed the deputy, along with other
police officials.
And no, the Cuyahoga County judges did NOT rule against the feds (as
the other poster said they would by law have to)
Mainly because the feds also decided the local judges are also corrupt
and arrested both judges,
to haul them off to prison also.
"There goes da judges. There goes da judges"
Apparently Mr. Radioguy has never excictuted heard of a Federal Warrant
for Arrest, under Federal Law, served by US Marshals, who by their
charter, have jurisdiction ANYWHERE in US Territory.... A US Marshal is
the very LAST fellow you want after you, because he/she has CartBlanc in
locating you, and serving the warrant that he/she is operating under.
You NEVER mess with a US Marshal, PERIOD....
Radioguy knows that. He is simply hoping to stir somebody into replying to
his inane posts.
Ignore him.

Evan Platt
2010-09-22 04:16:26 UTC
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First of all, you royally fucked up the subject line.
Not as badly as you generally fuck up.
Post by richard
Actually, companies can do just that.
Being owned by a French company means nothing.
If the company policy says you may not use two way radios on that
property,then you can be charged with trespassing for doing so.
Really? I thought the definition of trespassing was something else.
It would be interesting to know your version.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trespassing .Looks right to me.
So let me get this straight, st00pid - you're going to charge an
officer of the law with trespassing on your property because he's
armed and carrying a two way radio when your sign on your property
says no guns or two way radios allowed?
Yep. He is no different than any other citizen.
So if you want to charge an officer with trespassing, how do you
intend to do that? Call another police officer?

If the officer has either a warrant or probable cause, you cannot deny
him entry to your property.
I once worked security at a chemical factory.
That explains a lot. Perhaps those chemicals leaked into your head.
Two local cops came in every night to access the vending machines. The supervisor didn't like the cops
coming in with weapons so he locked the doors.
All within the companies rights.
We did not allow cops on the property just because they were cops. They had
to park in the visitor's lot just like any one else.
LOL.. And I can imagine if a call to 911 ever comes from that company,
the cops will take their sweet ass time getting there. Or maybe the
officers radio won't work when they're calling him to respond to your
company.
In high secuirty facilities, most cops wouldn't get past the front door
just because they wanted to look.
We weren't talking about a officer "Just wanting to look".
Post by richard
Can a company deny an officer of the law entry because he is armed?
Yes they can. Companies that produce hazardous materials do it all the
time.
No, they cannot. If the officer has a warrant or other legal reason to
be on the property, they cannot.
Maybe not. The search warrant would have to be specific, and before it is
served, the company attorney would certainly read it. As I said, the
company has a right to protect itself, it's employees and it's property.
Sorry, it doesn't work that way. If the police arrive at your business
and have a signed warrant, you cannot tell them "Sorry, my attorney
cannot get here until next Wednesday. Can you come back and serve the
warrant then?

It just doesn't work that way.
Are you a licensed practicing attorney? Show me the proof.
I never claimed to be one.

Are you a human being? Show me proof.
Experience. I worked 8 years as a security guard. If the company policy was
not to allow the cops access, they didn't get by me.
LOL.. I'd love to see that. Officer comes in with a warrant. Big
badass Bullshit Bullis, the security guard tells them no.

Bullis ends up in back of police car in handcuffs.

You are one dumb redneck.

Just remember, you can't spell Bullshit without Bullis.
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